SPL @ Coolnights 06

[SQ Man]

The 2006 show season draws to a close with the Annual Coolnights show at the National Show Centre, Swords on Saturday 25th November 2006.

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EMMA Ireland are hosting an evening SPL event at this years show.
Competitors for this event are asked to arrive at the venue for 3.30pm. The event opens to the public from 5.00 to 10.00pm.

An entry form for this event is available, please email Nigel@Emmanet.com (Nigel@Emmanet.com) for a copy
Closing date for entries is Wednesday 22nd November 2006.
Any queries, feel free to contact us by email (Nigel@Emmanet.com) or call +44(0)7710 471044 outside office hours.

[MarkoC]

how many competitors are usually in classes ?
what time the competitors can leave ?
and is there also battery charging available if i have my own equipment and power leed ?

[SQ Man]

As this is the first night time SPL event we have done @ Coolnights we can't easily predict class sizes, however the Stock class does tend to have more competitors than the Advanced & Ultimate classes at other shows.

The show closes at 10pm, so you will be allowed to leave after that.

As the SPL is held outdoors at Swords you will be able to run engines.
There may be limited power available, but don't depend on it, as the stands tend to use all the available power points at this show.

[MarkoC]

thursday got my subs
friday (yesterday) fitted them
result ?

ill be there

tnx for the infformation :)

[MarkoC]

any prices ?
ok, dont mind

serious question
when you measure the SPL the car engine is running or not ?
sry if thats already written in rules but i did not find that

my friend is also involved with that system so he has to buy a ticket to get in ?

[AlGreene]

Anyone else planning on entering for the crack?

[AlGreene]

Nigel
Can you send me an email with the application form to

al dot greene at mymeteor.ie

Its bouncing when i try send you one

[SQ Man]

Email sent. ;)

Just checked the account, nothing bouncing from my end. :confused:

[MarkoC]

any prices ?
ok, dont mind

serious question
when you measure the SPL the car engine is running or not ?
sry if thats already written in rules but i did not find that

my friend is also involved with that system so he has to buy a ticket to get in ?


can i get answere for that question plz ?

[turn it up]

can i get answere for that question plz ?


As was said early indoor events engine off. out door events engine on.
As far as i no coolnights is out door so engine on.

Your friend has to pay as far as i no.
Passengers had to pay a slam any way

[SQ Man]

As the SPL is held outdoors at Swords you will be able to run engines.All Flushbus organized events are tightly controlled with regards to free entries, it's driver only. Everyone else has to pay.

[MarkoC]

where and when have to pay ?

[turn it up]

I sent an enter email was just wondering was it recevled

[SQ Man]

I sent an enter email was just wondering was it recevledI take it your email is turnitup99.
Got that one, been busy with T4BB, etc. Didn't remember to send a reply at the time, sorry. :o

[turn it up]

I take it your email is turnitup99.
Got that one, been busy with T4BB, etc. Didn't remember to send a reply at the time, sorry. :o

Ya thats me.Thanks.Was just wondering was all thanks

[SQ Man]

where and when have to pay ?As it says in the first postAn entry form for this event is available, please email Nigel@Emmanet.com (Nigel@Emmanet.com) for a copy
Closing date for entries is Wednesday 22nd November 2006.All details required are in the email or covered in our rules listed here (http://www.manic-motorz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14397).

[MarkoC]

As it says in the first postAll details required are in the email or covered in our rules listed here (http://www.manic-motorz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14397).
Please fill out page One, Sign & date the waiver, before returning the completed entry form, along with your entry fee,
to the address on page One

sry i dont understand that
i have to send Cash in envelope ?
or how i should pay for the entry ?

[SQ Man]

Please fill out page One, Sign & date the waiver, before returning the completed entry form, along with your entry fee,
to the address on page One

sry i dont understand that
i have to send Cash in envelope ?
or how i should pay for the entry ?Fill out your details on page 1 of the form i.e. Name, Address, Car & system details.
Sign & Date the waiver section on page 2.
Post the form & entry fee to the address on the bottom of page 1.
If you are sending cash please make sure the envelope is well sealed. If you are paying by cheque, please cross the cheque & make it payable to EMMA Ireland.

[MarkoC]

i dont have a checkbook
and sending cash by mail is not safe
so any other options ?

[SQ Man]

I have got quite a lot of our entries over the last 5-6 years with cash in a sealed envelope.
To date, non have gone missing or been opened in the post.

Just make sure that you fold the form with the cash inside, that way no one will know it's in there.
Then seal the envelope opening with adhesive tape.

[AlGreene]

i dont have a checkbook
and sending cash by mail is not safe
so any other options ?

If your sending cash go into the post office and ask that the envelope be sent "registered post" the person on the other end will have to sign for it as its fully traceable and should it be lost yoiur insured for a couple of hundred euro

[MarkoC]

is it possible that i send the application form by post or email and will pay at coolnights ?
i just dont like sending cash by post

[SQ Man]

As it seems the only way that you will post the entry then YES. :rolleyes:

[ice-age]

as i'm on a stand nigel , can i still enter spl?

[Psycho-Sue]

i dont have a checkbook
and sending cash by mail is not safe
so any other options ?

Bank draft!!! go to a bank pay them and they will address it to who its for then you can send that and only the person its intended for can cash it or lodge it into an account.....

[SQ Man]

as i'm on a stand nigel , can i still enter spl?Yes, we can go mobile to you at some point.
Give us a shout on Saturday when we get everything set up.

[MarkoC]

SQ Man did you get the application form from me ?
posted it monday
sry for some reason cant send a PM here :confused:

[danthevanman]

any word on the scores from last night???

[MarkoC]

any word on the scores from last night???

the highest score was 148.5 i think in ultimate class
not very impressive with that setting but loud enough (have a friend who has made the same result with one 15 " kicker and 1000 w rms amp)
anybody knows that fella mob no ? PM me please the coz i forgot to ask him

the most impressive for me was "turn it up" 142.8 db respect !
i see theres lots of work done to get this kind a no with those settings
PM me your amp details plz
but i dont understand how he got 146.xx with sound secures db reader :D

my result was bad but as the system was built up in theory and never ever measured that before we not depressed with the 143.1 db as i hoped (i hoped around 143-144 if you remember)

now we know our first result and next year we give better shot :)

i liked all the show exept cold weather . . .
lots of nice cars and sound systems

next year again :)

[AlGreene]

Well done guys
I was too late getting there and saw a dihatsu with guys holding its doors on!

I think TIU's 146 was done with 4 subs and he only ran 2 yesterday possibly?

Hopefully things pick up with more people entering next year but well doen again

[-ANTO-]

well done lads

[turn it up]

the most impressive for me was "turn it up" 142.8 db respect !
i see theres lots of work done to get this kind a no with those settings



:)

Thanks lad told ya i'd get close to ya didn't think i would get as close after i saw your reading first.I was very suprizes with my score to be honest.
I was alot of work done were ya can't see like uprated altnetor and and have the car sound deaded didn't get a chance to do the other half.

You won fair and square so fair play lad.



What deatails do ya want to no about the amp.

4channel 100 amp fuse.
2 channel bridge mono sable at 4 ohms. had it runnig at to ohms doh.
Subs 400rms dual 4ohms.Audiobahn

[MarkoC]

4channel 100 amp fuse.
2 channel bridge mono sable at 4 ohms. had it runnig at to ohms doh.
Subs 400rms dual 4ohms.Audiobahn

its around
2x 340 W @ 4 ohm.

subs are single coils ?
how they were connected onto 2 ohm with that amp ?
actually had no chance to look under you boot
maybe you can send some pics ? :)

[turn it up]

its around
2x 340 W @ 4 ohm.

subs are single coils ?
how they were connected onto 2 ohm with that amp ?
actually had no chance to look under you boot
maybe you can send some pics ? :)

Dual coil at 4 ohms a piece and they are connected in pallerel
so it gives a load resists of 2ohms a pice.

At 12.6v it's 630rms
But system when in full swing is down to 10.9 ish which gives 545 rms.
By current law thing.

Engine is normally bar the uprated altnator from 70 amps to 110 amps

[Wide_Polo]

well done lads, couldnt make it as i was working but would have liked to get there.

guess the 148 was gary's ven and considering its tuned to 30Hz its a good result and that hes only running 2 of the 3 subs.

again well done to all and i hope the new guys catch the bug and keep competing.

[ice-age]

i wish the 148 had of been me phil , but i only got a 146.6. as you say though it is because of my streetbass tuning and me only running two of the 3 subs! i wish i had of resisted demoing the van before my run now and i might of got the 149.2 again that i got at t4bb the other week:(

and by the way , the reason that people are getting louder scores at there local shops is because they are being read on the old mics and not the new sensor which is more acurate and relible! it normaly reads about 5 db lower that the old audiocontrol mics! and same as the term-lab system used in england and the states etc!

[turn it up]

Ya the 148 was by the ice doctors as far as i can remember

[SQ Man]

Stock 1-260 Class

Marko Motsanenko (Speedlover) 143.1dB
Eugene Murphy (Turn it Up) 142.8dB
Michael Boland (Mitchbowl) 141.1dB
Gyles Rayner 140.4dB
Cronan O'Donnell 134.5dB

Stock 261+ Class

Ivan Ledwith 146.7dB
Cheryl Brown 139.7dB
Alan Vickery 135.9dB

Advanced/Ultimate Class

Keith Campbell/Ice Doctors 148.5dB
Gary McCarroll/In-Car Audio 146.6dB
John Marsh/Xtreme Autostyling 137.2dB

Congratulations to everyone who won the various classes, and also to all who have competed at the many events over this season.
Hope we see you all out competing again next year.

[Secure Sounds]

but i dont understand how he got 146.xx with sound secures db reader :D
:)

Different musical content perhaps;)

[MarkoC]

Different musical content perhaps;)
can you explaine that ?
what was different ?
you still never answered me what type of reader you have

turn it up said to me there that he was surprised to see that result
so i dont get how he got 146.xx before

[turn it up]

can you explaine that ?
what was different ?
you still never answered me what type of reader you have

turn it up said to me there that he was surprised to see that result
so i dont get how he got 146.xx before

I had four subs that day two where the back seats should be.And if you read back throw the thread you will find the other answer

[Secure Sounds]

you still never answered me what type of reader you have



Sorry but I don't remember you asking.

We use the AudioControl SA3055 ( as used by EMMA and IASCA as their official RTA ) with 180db Microphone upgrade, which reads the same as the 190db pressure sensor provided both have been correctly calibrated to their respective RTA machine.

As for the different reading with Turn it Up.........well 4 subs instead of 2 tend to make a difference:D

Cheers and well done in the competition.

[John306DT]

Sorry but I don't remember you asking.

We use the AudioControl SA3055 ( as used by EMMA and IASCA as their official RTA ) with 180db Microphone upgrade, which reads the same as the 190db pressure sensor provided both have been correctly calibrated to their respective RTA machine.

Yes EMMA use a AudioControl SA3055.

But your way out on the 180db Microphone reading the same as the 190db pressure sensor.

We tested 3 AudioControl SA3055's 2 fitted with 180db Microphones and 1 fitted with a 190db pressure sensor and a Term Lad.

180db Microphones were all about 5 Db out.

:p

[Secure Sounds]

We measured Turn it ups car a few months back and it read 146.6, using 4 12" subs and two amplifiers, going by what your saying the new pressure sensor would read about 5db less so therfore 141.6...correct.

So then Turn it up removes 2 subs and goes to the coolnights show last weekend and enters the SPL event. Here he measures 142.8 which according to your calculations should be 147.8 on our 180db mike.

So he then removes two 12" subs and he gains 1.2 db:eek:

Even considering other factors ( cancellation etc ) this just doesn't make sense, if we are talking small differences thats one thing but 5db is a massive amount for what is a precision calibrated instrument.


If what you are saying is correct then all previous readings / records are worthless because no one knows where the reference stands, regarding Term Lab thats a different machine used by other organisations.

[John306DT]

We measured Turn it ups car a few months back and it read 146.6, using 4 12" subs and two amplifiers, going by what your saying the new pressure sensor would read about 5db less so therfore 141.6...correct.

So then Turn it up removes 2 subs and goes to the coolnights show last weekend and enters the SPL event. Here he measures 142.8 which according to your calculations should be 147.8 on our 180db mike.

So he then removes two 12" subs and he gains 1.2 db:eek:

Even considering other factors ( cancellation etc ) this just doesn't make sense, if we are talking small differences thats one thing but 5db is a massive amount for what is a precision calibrated instrument.


If what you are saying is correct then all previous readings / records are worthless because no one knows where the reference stands, regarding Term Lab thats a different machine used by other organisations.

There is no point talking to you about this as it you don't under stand.

Think about what you said about removing sub's then think about box size and then think box tuning. Less means More in a lot off ways!!!

[MarkoC]

We measured Turn it ups car a few months back and it read 146.6, using 4 12" subs and two amplifiers, going by what your saying the new pressure sensor would read about 5db less so therfore 141.6...correct.

actually its very simple to find out that
you have to measure "turn it up"'s car now with the same settings he had @ Coolnights and somebody not of your friends should stand beside reading and prove that
how long we talk about that ?
or you NOT interested of proving that ?

is the John306DT lier ?
whats the reason then ?

[ice-age]

@sucure sounds!

you aren't far wrong mate just a bit confussed

emma are running at the moment an audiocontrol meter with the 190db software and the new spl sensor, the sensor reads in a completely different way to the old mics, as the old mics got saturated at high spl and can give very different readings even in the same car on the same day!

below are pics of a test me and nigel from emma done one night using my van as a test vechile, now all old mics had just been calibrated.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/munkdrunk/100_1072.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/munkdrunk/100_1083.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/munkdrunk/100_1085.jpg

now there is above 1-2 db max difference between the old mics but at 150 db thats less that one percent. nothing between them. the computer screen is a term-lab sensor, a gadget from america made by the first person to ever put large spekers in a car wyane harris from rockford fosgate and db drags competions. it uses the same technonagy as the a.c. sensor and is only 1% out to.

hope this helps mate.

[ice-age]

as for differnce when removing subs , there have been lots of times that less subs in a car is louder, also think about how cold it was that nite, also hight above sea level, air pressure, batery temp/voltage etc. cable temp amp temp, the list goes on, there are to many varibles to get the same score every time!

hope that makes sence

gary!

[Secure Sounds]

There is no point talking to you about this as it you don't under stand.

Think about what you said about removing sub's then think about box size and then think box tuning. Less means More in a lot off ways!!!


We do actually understand a "little" bit about car audio.

And as for less is more thats why we only used two subs in The orange Polo which from what we remember done quite well in all the competitions it entered.

Cheers.

[MarkoC]

We measured Turn it ups car a few months back and it read 146.6, using 4 12" subs and two amplifiers, going by what your saying the new pressure sensor would read about 5db less so therfore 141.6...correct.

So then Turn it up removes 2 subs and goes to the coolnights show last weekend and enters the SPL event. Here he measures 142.8 which according to your calculations should be 147.8 on our 180db mike.

So he then removes two 12" subs and he gains 1.2 db:eek:

Even considering other factors ( cancellation etc ) this just doesn't make sense, if we are talking small differences thats one thing but 5db is a massive amount for what is a precision calibrated instrument.


If what you are saying is correct then all previous readings / records are worthless because no one knows where the reference stands, regarding Term Lab thats a different machine used by other organisations.
i dont get your previous post and this one here now . . .
your previous post is too short and says nothing

[Secure Sounds]

Thats fair enough, you have tested a few different mikes and the pressure sensor and the term lab system but there is no where near a 5 db difference on any of those RTAs and thats the point we are trying to make, and at lower pressures it will be very little, so when people start thinking of a number and double its just not on.

We know you hardly ever hit the same score each time the cars are measured but i would very much doubt removing two 12"subs from the particular car we mentioned earlier would see an increase.


Cheers.

[MarkoC]

Thats fair enough, you have tested a few different mikes and the pressure sensor and the term lab system but there is no where near a 5 db difference on any of those RTAs and thats the point we are trying to make, and at lower pressures it will be very little, so when people start thinking of a number and double its just not on.

We know you hardly ever hit the same score each time the cars are measured but i would very much doubt removing two 12"subs from the particular car we mentioned earlier would see an increase.


Cheers.

those ppl TESTED those mics or not ? :D
did you test the car mentioned above with 2 subs yet ?
if not, do that and let us know the results plz
otherwise its just a talk

it seems your AC is the best in country and you never make any mistake
you just cant concede the facts because of the business

[ice-age]

i think john ment that there is a big difference between the mics and the sensor, not between mics;)

the sensor on mine got 146.3, where as the old emma mic, not mine or johns got 151.1 a difference of 4.8 db, or for a conversion sake 5 db.

in the car inquestion are all four subs in the 1,2, or 4 seperate boxs?

what john ment is that if they where all in the same box , using the same air space and you removed two cones and blocked the holes, this would greatly encrease the qubic foot that the two remining subs see, if the port/ports where short enough and had enough area there is a great potenchial for a large spike at a higher frequency, it would make the boxes abillity to play music wouldn't be as s.q. and would unload/ bottom out below the ports tuning . ie: dangerous for normal listening , but for spl that's how it's done.

if they are in seperate boxes and facing in all different direction, ie: 2 in the boot and 2 in the back seat, it is posssible that there is a great difference in the time that the note reaches/ pressures the mic. this can cause a great reduction is spl and can make it sound very one notey, ie:not very musical.

nobody is deniying your sucsees with spl , or your oblity to get loud, paddy's polo is one of my fave irish installs ever, just spl is the biggest learning curve in the world , and trust me on one thing if you haven't tried it may-be you should, cause you'd kick yourself if it did work!

[John306DT]

We do actually understand a "little" bit about car audio.

And as for less is more thats why we only used two subs in The orange Polo which from what we remember done quite well in all the competitions it entered.

Cheers.

O yes that the one you said won ever competition in the last 2 years!;)

Well what to do is tell me what the 4 subs were the box sizes and the Port Sizes ans then the same again for the 2 sub box. Then we can work out which was louder.

But it's not that hard as 4 12" sub is going to need more that 5 C/f what is bigger that most car boots.

[Secure Sounds]

Simple thing to do is just measure it if he is willing.

There is a double box in boot and two single boxes in rear seat area, as far as I know he removed the two single boxes.

When we said the polo won every competition in the last two years, or seasons it obviously meant the ones he had entered as if he didn't enter a comp how could he win it:confused:. This was simply a question to drum up some interest on another site where we chucked in a prize for the correct answer.

Att: Gary...out of interest have you compared the 180db and the 190db mike/sensor on a single RTA where both were calibrated at the same time?

Cheers.

[John306DT]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/munkdrunk/100_1085.jpg

Laptop is the Term-lad = 146.9

Starting at the top:

In Car Audio's with 180 mic = 151.0

My Meter with 180 mic = 149.5

EMMA's with 180 mic = 151.1

EMMA's with 190 Sensor = 146.3

Note the 2 EMMA ones were not long back from being calibrated.

So on the EMMA one's 151.1 - 146.3 = 4.8

It's the two EMMA one everyone should be looking at (last two).

As Gary said if we know more info of what way the car is built and what you change it would help us work out why the difference in readings.

The big problem is if someone gets a car tested with the 180 mic then looks at scores from a Sound Of and says LOL I can get louder than all of them and then go's to the next show and comes last it all down to the 4.8Db difference.

Take @ Coolnight's
Stock 1-260 Class
1st: Marko Motsanenko (Speedlover) 143.1dB
2nd: Eugene Murphy (Turn it Up) 142.8dB
3rd: Michael Boland (Mitchbowl) 141.1dB

Now some one comes to be and I test there car whit my AC with the 180mic I say to them well you got a 144.8.

They go home look up the scores from Coonights and say look I would have came first I'm goign to the next comp.

They enter the next come and come 4th with a 140 they eat the head of me for telling them there car would do a 144.8 but is all down to the 190 Sensor.

I have tested a car a week before a comp and told the lad that his score could be up to 5Db down on the reading we cod that day. If you do this then and tell them why they will not get a shock when they get a different score.

[John306DT]

Att: Gary...out of interest have you compared the 180db and the 190db mike/sensor on a single RTA where both were calibrated at the same time?

Cheers.

As far I know you can't do this as the RTA is only set up for the mic it's calibrated to.

Don't even think you should use different 180 mics in different RTA's.

If you read the post above you'll see what RTA is which and the 2 EMMA ones were calibrated at the same time.

[SQ Man]

OK, to try and cut down on some of the confusion about the SPL readings.
"Traditional transducer microphones, which AudioControl has built for nearly three decades, are designed to have a wide frequency response and can be used in the detailed frequency calibration of performance audio systems." explained Chris Kane, of AudioControl. "The SPL-190 was specifically designed to consistently measure extreme sound pressure levels, deal with aggressive use and interface with the AudioControl SA-3055."
The SPL-190 is a self-contained unit that incorporates a pressure sensor and a phantom powered microphone pre-amp into a single compact durable polished aluminum chassis. This allows the SPL-190 to literally plug into the AudioControl SA-3055.
The frequency response curve of the 180dB mic has an upper cutoff point in excess of 1KHz (1000Hz), the 190dB sensor has a response curve with a cutoff closer to 100Hz.
This means that the 190dB transducer will only measure the fundamental & possibly the first, second & third harmonics of the sub bass note being played, whilst the 180dB mic, having the much wider response curve, will measure the fundamental frequency plus many of its harmonic frequencies, thus giving it a higher output.

I hope this goes some way to explaining why the "pressure transducers" appear to read lower than the traditional microphones.

See here (http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/GBSSCI/PHYS/Class/sound/u11l4d.html) for a more detailed explanation about harmonic fequency.

[turn it up]

O yes that the one you said won ever competition in the last 2 years!;)

Well what to do is tell me what the 4 subs were the box sizes and the Port Sizes ans then the same again for the 2 sub box. Then we can work out which was louder.

But it's not that hard as 4 12" sub is going to need more that 5 C/f what is bigger that most car boots.


The car in question seems to be mine.
The four subs are in 4 separte boxs.1.5 cubic foot box tuned to 36hz.
Had one bucket seat in the back with two subs i removed them for coolinights ones in boot stayed same.
As for db gain.in secure sound i played a song.( as i wasn't used to the spl game).
Yet for cool nights i had half the car sound deaded and i palyed 55hz frequecy which is the resont frequcey of the car.
hope That helps.

And yes i would be willing to get it tested in secure sound notthing off my nose like.
I'll give ya a ring tuesday and see what the storey is.

[John306DT]

The car in question seems to be mine.
The four subs are in 4 separte boxs.1.5 cubic foot box tuned to 36hz.
Had one bucket seat in the back with two subs i removed them for coolinights ones in boot stayed same.
As for db gain.in secure sound i played a song.( as i wasn't used to the spl game).
Yet for cool nights i had half the car sound deaded and i palyed 55hz frequecy which is the resont frequcey of the car.
hope That helps.

And yes i would be willing to get it tested in secure sound notthing off my nose like.
I'll give ya a ring tuesday and see what the storey is.

Good Good.

If you played a song the that would be the difference. Also if you tuned the boxs to the resont frequcey it woud be louder again. If it were me I'd get the two subs into the one box (about 5c/f) and tune it to 55Hz.

If you give me Make Modle and size of the subs I put it throght Box Pro and there size of port you'll need. You could always have two port and change the over for comp's and then the other for everyday use.

[turn it up]

Good Good.

If you played a song the that would be the difference. Also if you tuned the boxs to the resont frequcey it woud be louder again. If it were me I'd get the two subs into the one box (about 5c/f) and tune it to 55Hz.

If you give me Make Modle and size of the subs I put it throght Box Pro and there size of port you'll need. You could always have two port and change the over for comp's and then the other for everyday use.

Well i have a small meter hear i got better profomance out of the car when tuned to 36 playing 55hz.Than tuned to 55hz playing 55hz.

I only went you to coolnights for the laugh to show speedlover i could get so close(.3 of a db) and he running three times the power of me and the subs over twice as power full.

I am building a tottally new system for next year so all the gear is up for sale.

Thanks for the offer doh lad sound

[MarkoC]

Well i have a small meter hear i got better profomance out of the car when tuned to 36 playing 55hz.Than tuned to 55hz playing 55hz.

I only went you to coolnights for the laugh to show speedlover i could get so close(.3 of a db) and he running three times the power of me and the subs over twice as power full.

I am building a tottally new system for next year so all the gear is up for sale.

Thanks for the offer doh lad sound


get over lad, i had NEVER chance to measure my car before :D so in theory made system i did very well my friend
and you know what that means !
my stuff is for sale too
so next year im going only for the one 12" sub if you interested to be in the same class with me :)
and ill get a smaller car as well and we'll see who will laugh ;)

[turn it up]

get over lad, i had NEVER chance to measure my car before :D so in theory made system i did very well my friend
and you know what that means !
my stuff is for sale too
so next year im going only for the one 12" sub if you interested to be in the same class with me :)
and ill get a smaller car as well and we'll see who will laugh ;)


That was a joke like doh.
Still 600rms vs nearly 2000rms and you win by .3 of a db.And i taught you said i should even get close.Ok Ok.Forget about this now.

Ok back on topic.

[MarkoC]

That was a joke like doh.
Still 600rms vs nearly 2000rms and you win by .3 of a db.And i taught you said i should even get close.Ok Ok.Forget about this now.

Ok back on topic.
1600 is not nearly 2000
and i hope next year will be events without engines running
like they said in F&F
you were close ?

"i was too slow this time my friend if you still dont get it ?"
it doesnt matter u win by inche or mile winning i's winning and your the loser
how long you made your system and how many times it tested ?
dont answere for that becaused you jnow my box was built in theory only

and 43 hz vs 55 ?
your joking man
i have LOUD car as well
55 hz is not LOUD my friend (deep bass)
but next year im going for the 55-60 hz as well only for the comps and well see what happens then

with the same system you reached almost to you maximum db point already but my system isnt or what you think ?
so AFTER i get my own termlab we can laugh together on me and you and take couple of beers ;)

back to the topic now :D

[paddyvw]

well all this was entertaining reading lots of wires crossed and people getting hot sand bothered which is good for spl as not enough doing it and glad to hear more people getting in too it. oh my car/system is for sale if any one wants to take it and do some thing different?

hi john , gary , nigel and all my old friends .:e15hrn: :e15hrn:

[turn it up]

1600 is not nearly 2000
and i hope next year will be events without engines running
like they said in F&F
you were close ?

"i was too slow this time my friend if you still dont get it ?"
it doesnt matter u win by inche or mile winning i's winning and your the loser
how long you made your system and how many times it tested ?
dont answere for that becaused you jnow my box was built in theory only

and 43 hz vs 55 ?
your joking man
i have LOUD car as well
55 hz is not LOUD my friend (deep bass)
but next year im going for the 55-60 hz as well only for the comps and well see what happens then

with the same system you reached almost to you maximum db point already but my system isnt or what you think ?
so AFTER i get my own termlab we can laugh together on me and you and take couple of beers ;)

back to the topic now :D

You said the amps are 960 rms a pice which is 1920rms.

And like i said to you at the show.One of my coils went in my big subs so i had to replace it saturday morning which means i had three or four hours to build it.
+i never said i would beat ya just i'd get close.
Sure to be honest why would you buy to mono block amps and to 1000rms subs if a four channel amp and two 400rms subs could beat it.
Thats like why would ya buy a 2 litre car if a 1 litre was just as quick.

Right right this is get stupid if ya want to contuon send me a pm

[MarkoC]

Sure to be honest why would you buy to mono block amps and to 1000rms subs if a four channel amp and two 400rms subs could beat it.
Thats like why would ya buy a 2 litre car if a 1 litre was just as quick.

amps are proven 800W @ 12.5 v
if engine runninmg and extra alternator theyr around 900
so i wrote on the entry form as well, theyr around 800-900 w


why ?
dam
you think the 143 db was the max from those items ?
you not so ignorant arnt you ? :P
joking

but you know as well from your system you will get MAX 1 db more
so i still see the point to buy 2 l car before 1 l
upgrade is the magic word there my friend
you reached to the top with 1 litre already, i mean to the same level as standard 2 litre
if tou know what i mean :P

[turn it up]

amps are proven 800W @ 12.5 v
if engine runninmg and extra alternator theyr around 900
so i wrote on the entry form as well, theyr around 800-900 w


why ?
dam
you think the 143 db was the max from those items ?
you not so ignorant arnt you ? :P
joking

but you know as well from your system you will get MAX 1 db more
so i still see the point to buy 2 l car before 1 l
upgrade is the magic word there my friend
you reached to the top with 1 litre already, i mean to the same level as standard 2 litre
if tou know what i mean :P

You missed my hole point.
I heard your system and said straight to you that it should be alot louder than it is.And that my little system could keep into you.Regard less of what work was done who cares what you could do ya didn't so thats that .
And the shit about you playing 45 hz and i playing 55hz.That 55hz is going to be louder.
Wrong my resonat frequency of my car is 55 - 56hz.each car is different.
So if you played 45hz that tells me you think that was the loudest frequceny.Which then sounds like the resonant frequency of the car.And don't say that its not that 55hz in your car is louder cause if it was you would have played it at coolnights.Causes no one goes up to a competion and does play the loudest track they have.
Ok disusion over back to topic.

[Wide_Polo]

What was the topic again my heads fried after reading all that! :e15hrn:

[turn it up]

What was the topic again my heads fried after reading all that! :e15hrn:

The results and then the different in the two meters i think honestly can't remember:D

[Secure Sounds]

Wow, what the f£$k happened here:eek:

I'm completely lost now:D

Att: Turn It Up, sorry to have dragged you into this, wasn't fair really:rolleyes: But you got plenty of typing practice ( and abuse ):D If you want to bring the car in for another measurement that would be great, at this stage we are curious.

At the end of the day words and action are 2 totally different things so roll on next season, and looking forward to seeing you all at the shows.

[AlGreene]

The controversy!

Whens the next Spl event?No more shows due untill April but it'd be great to get a run before then

[turn it up]

Wow, what the f£$k happened here:eek:

I'm completely lost now:D

Att: Turn It Up, sorry to have dragged you into this, wasn't fair really:rolleyes: But you got plenty of typing practice ( and abuse ):D If you want to bring the car in for another measurement that would be great, at this stage we are curious.

At the end of the day words and action are 2 totally different things so roll on next season, and looking forward to seeing you all at the shows.

No worrys ring ya tomorrow and see if ya have time.
I love a chance to bug ya.
Also love abuse even from some fighting any up hill battle