weekend

[Retyred]

So what did people think of the show then? I thought it was good and it seemed to run well. Thanks to Nigel, Ken x2, Keith and Andy and everyone else involved, having been involved with running these shows years ago I know how much work goes on behind the scenes, and to get the likes of Gordon Taylor and the Dutch Judges over was well worthwhile :D

[Alpine]

Was good to see yourself again, big lad!! The EMMA section was busy, Big thanks to all that turned up, More cars than I figured we'd have, The calibre of car audio is growing and growing, Some serious weapons out there in the audio section now. Fav car of the show for me was the red Fiesta van, with the detailing to the interior. SAVAGE!!!

[ice-age]

first off all a big congratulations too all the winners yesterday and too the king off spl paddy for an outstanding performance!

on a more irrate note i'am disgusted with the t4bb show in general!
that had to be the worsed organized show in history.

1: why were we there at 8 in the morning when the first spl run was at 3.15 in the afternoon.

2: why did the judge that was doing the safety check on the spl cars go to get paddys punture fixed and was gone for 2 1/2 hours, were did he go belfast!!!!!!!!!

3: why did we only do one run each!! 50 euro's for one run total rip off!!!

4: why is there only one advanced class? this may be ok for paddy , daniel and myself but what about the first timers that are pushed into this class because off more silly rules. there needs to be more classes under emma rules,what happened to going by cone area????? if i was competing for the first time and i was pushed into the same class as paddy i wouldn't come back as it's unfair to be up against sombody with four to five grands more equipment! we need these first timers to compete or else ther will be nobody left. this isn't helping me in any way it just makes it more fair for beginners!

5:what is this bollocks about espl, what happened to just spl. if u are the loudest on the day u win, dead simple if u ask me! now your car has to have a huge bodykit, a big exhaust out the back etc! i thought that was best moddified car , a whole different show altogether!

6:why when i went too ask a judge about any off the above did he just pass it off to the next judge, and then when i talk too that judge he just fobs u of to the next and so on . TOTALLY USELESS!

7:why are we not told what track is going to be used untill the morning off the show. this is dangerous and also makes it impossible for the average person to improve there system! you see ,in sq u get marked down for bad points in your system, you go home read your score sheet and one by one improve your system! in spl you go home and build a new bow or port etc! with these rules what frequency should u tune the box to! **** knows that's anybodys guess! the juges tell u to listen to the disk and learn it so that u know which part suits your car the best! track 10 used on sat does not have a note above 45hz! useless for spl! this ended up killing some expensive equipment!

8: also this door upon run is very dangerous! iv'e been told that it is to keep the crowd entertained! what at a show that u aren't aloud to play music or demo your car! infact don't get me started on those bastards who took paddys keys! that nearly started a riot!!!!! you can't run a slot port box hard with no air in front to load the port! now if we where told what track we could adjust port size etc to suit a lower note! what is wrong with using your own track! if u get a track that works well in your car you get louder then you win! you can go home and "tweek and tune" and get those point ones and point two's! even when emma was started it halfed the amout off people competing! that years loudest infact stuart patrick, who i spoke to yesterday and said he would like to have a go again but noway under emma!!!

9: the way i see it is if nigel and the rest off the crew want any spl competion next year they are going to have to organize a meeting for the competitors , because if this continues then won't be any! paddys going all gay and going sq ( lol ) john is just going to build a show car,no comps, and daniel is just ready to xplod!!!!


if u agree or disagree with any off this please speak now as this can't go on any longer. this isn't sour graps because i lost spl. paddy won hands down
this is because a love bass and spl comps! and want to see more and more people compete. at the minute this is far from the truth!

[Alpine]

See your points G, I'm not going to try and talk about things I can't answer.

As for the points:

1: why were we there at 8 in the morning when the first spl run was at 3.15 in the afternoon.
Numerous factors caused the hall entry to be delayed. I was there at eight on the nose, I was alone there with one other car. Dave in the orange polo.
Majority of cars did not turn up before 9 or 10, The fact the hall was not cleared from previous event delayed setup. This had an obvious knock on effect.

2: why did the judge that was doing the safety check on the spl cars go to get paddys punture fixed and was gone for 2 1/2 hours, were did he go belfast!!!!!!!!!

If it was your car had a puncture I would have done the same for you, as it turned out paddy's car was in the middle of the hall and not very drivable in it's condition. I brought Paddy to Donnybrook 5 min journey up 5 min back, I was gone a total of 10 minutes. not two and a half hours as you so graphically exagerated.
Rather than delay things further I made a decision to check your high standard Fiesta, the caddy van and one other car after the first run. This was to ensure the delay was not even longer than 3:15 as you noted.

If the Hall was clear, Cars had turned up on time, So many factors added up to delays. I don't fully understand why you are bringing up my goodwill gesture and refering to it as a trip to belfast. There was a total of 8 judges approx there through out the weekend all attempting to get things done. The head judge was available at the makeshift office. In fact he was there all the time both days.

[John306DT]

Not the weekend I had hoped for at all. :mad:

I was going down to have fun and if I got placed 1st 2nd or 3rd it would just make it better. :D

BUT some of the T4BB & RDS staff just had it in for us telling us if we didn't stop playing our cars we'd have to go. O and my car only played for the SQ judging on Sunday and RDS Hitler still told Gary to turn my car down.
http://www.hitler.org/images/hitler.in.car-thumb.jpg

To Top it all off some Fcuker riped off the door handle off Audio Advice's R 19 :eek: :mad: :confused:

We need to sort this out over the winter or as Gary said I'm just going to do a install for show use and not do the EMMA show's next year.

We love ICE working on G's Van for over 10 monthsand want to make these show what thay should be. Fun for EVERYONE

[Alpine]

The whole thing about the Sound comp is to demo the cars, I remember how i found out about Sound comps it was one of the first T4BB and the bass drew me into the hall and I never left the hall till the end of the day, I felt it was very disheartening for the competitors to have the cars switched off or turned down, Ok I can understand why during the SQ judging but after that was completed to have the RDS staff etc coming around grabbing keys was a bit much. That I have never experienced before at any event.

[Retyred]

What was the story with the key thing, I was gone by then.

One thing that I think could be looked at is when the Sq is judged the hall needs to be resonably quiet, I know the Spl lads want to let it rip and that is understandable however it is impossible to sound judge a car when the motor next door is going at it at 150db, so is there any solution to this?? maybe the sq could be done on the 2 mornings of the show, so that in the afternoon when its busy, systems can be turned up.
I can't comment on any of the SPL points brought up by Gary as I know nothing about SPL :o

[liza_bitch]

jus my opinin i'm jus outsider at the moment and havent started competing yet but i've been going to most of the sound offs for the last 2 years and to b honest if they keep going to way their r i couldnt b bothered competiting. i know it is very hard to organise shows the the standard of t4bb and to was great to see other judges from europe coming but something has to be done!!!

there has been lots of money and time gone into all the cars that were there but i think their needs to b a couple of new classes brought in.....
1. all shop built cars should b in a seperate class i know that i wouldnt have the money to get a shop like Audio Advice to build my car so i'd b doing it myself its kinda intimadating seeing all this cars in rookie.
2.it was a bit annoying listening to the r19 yersterday all day long far enough it is a show car but i do think and i no this has been suggested before that for 10 mins every hour the cars can show off then for the nxt 50mins the cars can be judged its a bit unfair wen the SQ cars are being judged and the whole car is vibrating from another car they cant b judged properly.
3 i think at the start of the event each person should b given a time table saying at 9 rta,12.10 install, 2 listening etc so at least ur not wasting your hole day by the car not knowing wen the judges will b over and at least to will give peopl time to get their cars set up.

they are jus some points ive spotted

[ice-age]

I don't fully understand why you are bringing up my goodwill gesture and refering to it as a trip to belfast.

this is not a personal dig at yourself alpine or your extremely goodwill gesture, however you are saying that the judging team where already flat out trying to get the show up and running! so why did u have too go. if u'd off asked one off us we could go! sorry if u have taken this the wrong way!

my point is that in an 8 hour show we did one run and one outlaw run , this isn't enough for 50 euros!

1. all shop built cars should b in a seperate class i know that i wouldnt have the money to get a shop like Audio Advice to build my car so i'd b doing it myself its kinda intimadating seeing all this cars in rookie.
2.it was a bit annoying listening to the r19 yersterday all day long far enough it is a show car but i do think and i no this has been suggested before that for 10 mins every hour the cars can show off then for the nxt 50mins the cars can be judged its a bit unfair wen the SQ cars are being judged and the whole car is vibrating from another car they cant b judged properly.
3 i think at the start of the event each person should b given a time table saying at 9 rta,12.10 install, 2 listening etc so at least ur not wasting your hole day by the car not knowing wen the judges will b over and at least to will give peopl time to get their cars set up.

thank you for your responce, this is what i mean here is an outsider looking to compete but being put off by stupid rules

as for a seperate class for shop cars this is a great idea, this is what used to happen! now this used to mean i was in a class all by myself, however if this had to be so what! i would still enter but not expect i prize etc but just for my own pleasure! and to help with the judging like i normaly do etc. i just can't stand by and watch this "sport" die a death!
all the shows this year that my van wasn't ready i helped first timers to understand what they had too do and give them advice about there systems! why the **** would i be doing that if i don't have the enterest off this at heart!!!!

as for playing when cars where being judged, other than when i was competing i played my car twice ! once on sat and an rds person didn't ask me too turn it down , he threatened me and was going to remove me and the car from the show! then after four on the sunday and with-in 2 mins there he was again! not asked politly to turn it down, just pure agro!!!

if u's don't do something to sort this then all the big guns is this game are gone! i have never came away from a show angry before, please oganize a meeting now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sparky]

5:what is this bollocks about espl, what happened to just spl. if u are the loudest on the day u win, dead simple if u ask me! now your car has to have a huge bodykit, a big exhaust out the back etc! i thought that was best moddified car , a whole different show altogether!


I agree i dont understand what the outside of the car has to do with how it sounds, now i know i competed in sq but if the same rules were applied to my car ( the mk2 golf gti) id loose points because my car is the way i like it, cause at the end of the day its us that have to use them and its some times just not practical to have a load of fiberglass hanging off the car. And some cars look better without it. :rolleyes:

[SQ Man]

OK Gary I’ll try to answer some of your questions now.

We were told that we could have unlimited access to the hall on the Friday to get in & set up before the show. When Ken & I arrived the hall was being used for Graduation photos so they wouldn't let us in. We finally got in @ 7pm, managed to get the tents up & were thrown out by the RDS staff @ 7.30 so that they could get the doors locked.
Cars had to be there from 8am so that everyone was in place before the show opened @ 10am.
I think Andy has already answered this one.
We were running ESPL rules for the prizes, but we also gave you the option of the Outlaw runs as well.
We were limited in classes by the number of trophies that were available.
If more manufacturers had supported us we could have had more trophies, plus most of the competitors left their entries to the very last minute to confirm. This makes things difficult for us, as we have to assign class breaks for the event several weeks in advance.
We had several Judges there from EMMA Netherlands & UK, helping us judge & observing the show. The rules we are meant to be using are strictly ESPL, however they were impressed with the Outlaw SPL rules part & are considering bringing it into their shows as an additional SPL competition, so you guys are hopefully responsible for real SPL coming back to more EMMA shows next year. I know we will continue with it & hopefully will have better manufacturers support for it.
If you're not getting the answers from others on the day then please come & see myself. If I’m up to my eyes at that time all I’d ask is that you give me a chance to make time to speak to you. I'll do my best to answer you questions as soon as I can on the day, but sometimes other things take priority at that immediate moment.
Fair point, in future we will give you more notice before the event as to what track we will use.
Doors open is part of the ESPL rules that we are given to use.
Unfortunately we were not told about the trade stands that were put into the hall, right beside the doors, so we had no control over them whatsoever & when they annoyed the stands by the doors in the main hall then the events staff/security immediately come in & blame it on the first car they see, which unfortunately seemed to be Daniel & Gary for most of the weekend.
We appreciate all you guys supporting us for the events & thankfully you are giving us feedback so that things can improve for the future events. If we aren't made aware of any problems then we won't be able to fix them. At the end of the day, we are all learning from this.
As for the situation with the RDS/Security on Sunday afternoon, I wasn't made aware of the problem with keys being taken, etc. until after we had left the venue. Both Gordon Taylor & myself were meeting with the John & Frank, the Event organisers when this happened. All I can assume is that they went in on their own authority; it certainly didn't come from the organisers.

Rest assured I will be complaining about their heavy-handed tactics at the end of the show to John McDonald himself.

This event is unique for us in the fact that the main show is not a mainly car orientated event, so many of the trade stands are not expecting our section to be as loud as it was, hence the noise complaints.

Part of the problem is also that everyone wants to play loud at the same time, trying to outdo the cars beside them. All this does is push up the overall noise level of the event. Would it not be better to take turns?

Your opinions are very helpful to us; we do appreciate the feedback so keep it coming.

I can't promise that the next event will be perfect, all I can say is we will learn from this one & keep improving. We do need more support from you guys though, we need entries in earlier, we need you to turn up on time, and you need to help us control overall noise levels at these events.

Overall, the Show Organisers were happy with us & want us back next year. They also hope to get enough sponsors for our part to allow us to have a marquee for the SPL so that the bass noise doesn’t cause a problem inside the main buildings.

So if we can get things sorted so that we have more support from manufacturers as well as the great support we already have from the competitors then next years show will be much better.

[ice-age]

well said sparky

i uset to compete with a really shitty dung heap off a metro! full off rust
(and concrete lol) ! i can't find a pick just at the moment but i'm sure john will be able too post some real soon! still to this day the loudest car that this country has seen ( by more than 10 db ) however under emma rules i'd off had no chance!

[ice-age]

thank you for your input nigel!

as for point 5 , i was glad too see judges form abroud as this added a new element off ferness, no where more so than sq! i was shocked too see robert win sq with a built in a week install! and jonny who won rookie, his car sounds class, good job!

however u are missing my point! as sparky said why is he losing points cause he doesn't have a 13 foot tall spoiler off the back off his golf! off which i might add was very clean and mk2's look better standard, or nearly standard anyway! the moddifing scene is a very strange place! but there is only i few people that like big sounds and big kits as well

most people like one or the other! some cars with kits have big sounds but they normaly have 20 pers off 6x9's and wouldn't win a thing in spl or sq

ITS A SOUND OFF NOT A LOOK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you are going too give points for something else other than the db reading why not for the install as u do in sq! and yes this would suit me more than most, but having spent a whole year building an spl vehicle, i'd like too think so! if somebody has ****ed a sub and amp into the boot then they score less! you have too agree that this makes sence!!!

[Sparky]

Gary i remember the car, i saw it a coulpe of years ago in the rds,

Nigel i can understand that its a lot of hard work to pull off a show and to keep everyone happy but i think it would be a good idea to hold a meeting or something with all the competors to get the problems sorted befor the next season.

[Retyred]

jus my opinin i'm jus outsider at the moment and havent started competing yet but i've been going to most of the sound offs for the last 2 years and to b honest if they keep going to way their r i couldnt b bothered competiting. i know it is very hard to organise shows the the standard of t4bb and to was great to see other judges from europe coming but something has to be done!!!

there has been lots of money and time gone into all the cars that were there but i think their needs to b a couple of new classes brought in.....
1. all shop built cars should b in a seperate class i know that i wouldnt have the money to get a shop like Audio Advice to build my car so i'd b doing it myself its kinda intimadating seeing all this cars in rookie.
2.it was a bit annoying listening to the r19 yersterday all day long far enough it is a show car but i do think and i no this has been suggested before that for 10 mins every hour the cars can show off then for the nxt 50mins the cars can be judged its a bit unfair wen the SQ cars are being judged and the whole car is vibrating from another car they cant b judged properly.
3 i think at the start of the event each person should b given a time table saying at 9 rta,12.10 install, 2 listening etc so at least ur not wasting your hole day by the car not knowing wen the judges will b over and at least to will give peopl time to get their cars set up.

they are jus some points ive spotted


Very relavent points, especially the running of the cars and sq judging

The point of shop cars being in a seperate class is one that comes up every now and then, the problem with this is how do you define what is a shop built car and how do you prove a car has been built or in this cas not built by a shop, and is there a fair ammount of help a shop could give without being unfair to other competitors I know its not fair on Rookies coming into the scene when you are up against installs where it is pretty obvious alot of money has been spent but it is near enough impossible to do anything about unless the competitors themselves come clean about the status of the car

[liza_bitch]

ya i've been thinking about this the only way it honesty in the end of the day but u could have it on the entry form ..... shop built / home made or something like that!!!! and i do think that there should b a kinda AGM or something where judges and competitors get together now i do realise this could b very hard which people coming from both the south and the north but points need to be expressed in person or in writing its the only way things can improve

[Sparky]

ya liz i agree. something really do's have to be done.

[John306DT]

Yes a meeting need to be sorted ASAP.

I said this to Nigel at the start of this year about a meeting but it didn't come about.

[ice-age]

lisa, when you said earlier about shop cars i thought you ment me or phil from audio advice etc! however as you mean what is comenely reffered to as check book install's! this has been a problem for about the last 12 years! and will not get sorted no matter what u say! where do you draw the line between help and just a subbox being built or a full install! this then becomes a comp between shops and gets really bitchy, sim car's win at there show in-car audio cars win at are shows and phils cars win at audio advice shows! this used too happen under iacsa rules and sca before that! you can't ask competitors to say who built the car! it has been tryed and does not work,it's pretty easy to tell anyway and that is not the issue here at all!!!!!!!!!!!

the point here is the emma rules and how too improve on them, this is not a revolt, i'm just trying to mintain the scene and to be honest this is mine and a few others way off life. if there was no spl comps i'd kill myself , no point living!!!!!!

my main point is , it used to be that if i wanted to go louder or win another show i bought another amp or a bigger sub!

now you have too spend that money on a bigger bumper ! **** that!!!!

if i add 3 tins off pon to the side off my van, 1 burp and the whole lot will end up on the floor! the roof flex's about 2 inches as it is ,while playing every day!

i don't mind traveling to some where in the middle off ireland too discuss this as i'm sick typing! please post idea's off where would suit everyone, judges,competitors EVERYONE!!!!!

[Wide_Polo]

Ok, just read all that and im surprised.

I have some problems with the EMMA rules but i live with them, the playing music instaed of tones i dont like but i see the point, i dont drive around listening to tones all day, i listen to music from what i make of the rules its to build a 'street car' looks good goes loud.

I was one of the guys who suffered casulties, not as expensive as others but an amp 2 days before the show(Try to find a class D replacmend with high power in that space of time!) and a sub on the day. the notes were just too low on the track but every one played the same track to keep it fair.

I do prefere the SPL rules with tones only, it gathers the biggest crowd and shows what can be done with tuning the enclousure and not needing to spend masses of money.also it has minimal risk as constant tone for the box, no loss of control unless something goes wrong.

One gripe i had was security, i was told to turn mine down on sunday to which i replied 'Ummmm.... do you see any display on my headunit? no, THATS BECAUSE ITS OFF!' By the end of sunday i was fedup listening to the R19, every 10mins it was fired up and pounding, i think it caused most of the problems but was hidden in the corner and security saw Gary's and Daniel's vans first and thought it was them, hardly fair.

Next year thought needs to be put into the layout, SPL willl attract people with the bass and the 'What the f**k is that' reaction but constant complaints and threats dont make it a good day.

hope ths makes sence, not to god at making ints unless im in a bad md lol.

[danthevanman]

congrats to all the folks that came away with a throphy yesterday, Paddy this might change your mind from coming out and turning gay, lol :D .and play ur big subs all the time.

As 4 the show i thought it was the biggest load of sh1t, who ever heard of a silent sound off . I no that sq cars have to get judged and they need it 2 b quiet i dont mind this. but this doesn't take allday get it out of the way in the mornings b4 there is 2 much noise. i haven't spent the last 2 years working on my van 4 2 just have it sitting in a hall not doing any thing.its not just the prettiest install at the min but i have been trying to tune it 4 spl first and then worry about the looks l8r but how can u draw intrest from people if they can't notice u? i have to be loud its my nature!

i didn't c the point in b ing there that early and not being even let in2 the hall until after 10.

Ive been in the sport 4 4 yrs now but have always had a system in since i started 2 drive and i have decided that until this mess is sorted out i am just sorting the van out 4 my every day street bass.
as 4 emma something has 2 be done about the rules!!!!
how r u meant to tune a system if you don't no wot material u r going 2b asked to play i have tuned my box 2 a high freq 4 high spl but i have a costly weekend as 1 of my subs didn't like a track that played round 30hz and ****ed itself inside out.
The only things that draw a crowd at shows is (1) doughnuts
(2) tits
(3) sub bass
(1) as there was no out door cars there drifting ring 4 doughnuts
(2) as 4 it being a family show there was no tits
(3) as 4 sub bass i was give off 2 while no subs in the van were running (since i ****ed 1 on sat) all i had was 2 front tweeters running, how much noise can 2 tweeters make????

[danthevanman]

please post wot's on ur mind

[ice-age]

to be honest dan i'm more worried about the first time splers! for too put some people in the same class as you and paddy just because they have subs in the back seat can't be the same as you 2 headers with a wall off 15's. that is just wrong"!! it sends out the wrong image if you ask me, it says that unless you have spent 10 g's on sounds don't even bother!! and that suck's!

and then you get people squeezing every inch out off the rules with amps just above the window line!!! :D ey wide boy !!! lol :D

[John306DT]

Think we should bin the ESPL CD.

You play whats best for your system.

It's not as if anyone is going to go to The EMMA Euro Finals and if they did they would just have to sort there system to that ESPL (sh1t) CD

ESPL just dosen't work in Ireland. PPL just want to see big scores. Bring back the Metro
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/John306DT/DSCF0019.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/John306DT/IcemanMetro20mmSideWindow.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/John306DT/DSCF0010.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/John306DT/DSCF0023.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/John306DT/DSCF0010.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/John306DT/DSCF0021.jpg

[John306DT]

METRO

9.4. Desigen

9.4.1.1 Exterior Styling -4 Rusty Shit Paint work
9.4.1.2 Wheels -3 Has 4 but they have crap wheeltrims
9.4.1.3 Exhaust -1 Fell off at T4BB 03
9.4.1.4 Accessories 1 Has wing nuts to haod the door closed
9.4.1.5 Total Impression -5 Never seen sh1t pilled so high with wheels on

9.4.2 Passenger Compartment -5 When did Rover fit 1" MDF as standard
9.4.3 Trunk Compartment 1 Not bad tho seeing rear rusty raer wheel arches didn't help.
:confused:

[danthevanman]

i agree wit u gary its not fair to have new comers in the same class with me and paddy, if i had of been put in a high class when i started i would of just stopped competing and done it 4 my own enjoyment as long as its loud.
i am the same as urself at the min the only reason im competing at the min is cause i love bass, i'd like to get the van fully sorted to its full spl potential but as long as i can have good loud street bass it'll have to do.doont want 2 c the sport over here die its time to set euro and world records and put r selfs on the spl map.
any suggestions on where this meeting can take place and when.
Nice to c another pic of the metro thats wot a proper spl car should look like.
who cares about looks its a sound off not a show off!
aslong as an install is wired safe and can produce high figures who cares wot it looks like its down to personal taste.
you should be able to build the car u want not wot u think some 1 else should like!
also bin that ****ing cd

[paddyvw]

well all this is one hot topic
AT daniel ur instal aint pretty but is just like ur self rough and ready lol :D
gary u made hit the nail on the head on all topics bar one bout my wheel so i will add my two cent(2.8 pence for the northern guys)i asked alpine to take me to a garage that could fix my wheel before lunch as most places closes a half day and i was not driving to cork on a wheel barrow wheel on sun wit all the weight. as andy is from dub and his car was right outside the door i knew he would find a garage asap. in all honesty we were gone bout 15min as it was only around the corner. :o


ok on to real business i think it aint really fair for me and fuzz(dan) to be up against beginners. i am a beginner :D too but slightly more instal.i was glad to see some competition there this weekend in the form of gary, dan and the rest it adds to the sense of competition and makes it more enjoy able.i have won alot this year witout any real competition.
my system really strained under the ESPL track and they were staring to smell so just stopped the run. dan was unlucky and it turned out to be an expensive track. also i dont agree with the whole body kit and exterior styling. on the continent where all these rules are based on the cars are very similar to mine nice crisp euro look and moddified cars as in body kits aint as big. so it is hard to judge on kit and smooth look. when i started in may loads of people taught my car was standard cause they hadnt seen a moddified car un moddified they just expect big fibre glass and filler cars. i lose points every show for no exhaust but i dont want to be labled as a boy racer any more and all they do is attract cops s al ready in enough trouble wit the system.it is horses for courses if u like it on ur car have it if u dont u should not lose points or be judged on it. as long as the instal is safe it is the main concern.
as liza pointed out which i agree wit is that maybe spl cars can display for ten to fifteen min every hour
i also think competitors should (if possible) be given a time table as to when their cars is being run ie 2.10 i do my spl run 2.20 gary runs etc tec. it might be hard to do but at least people can see the show or go for food etc.

now on to that streak of sh** that took my keys. i turned on system once or twice and as i was talking to my friends( yes i do have some) this langer runs over grabs my keys tells me i can get them in the organisers office and then runs off again. :eek: this was wellout of order and left my car in the middle of the hall open wide and un locked. gladdly i got them back thanks to stuart.

it was graet to have the foregin judges and it was all fair and they added a new view to all the systems and was indpendant.

finally i think we all need to organise a meet and disscus this wit every one iron out the prob and get more interest in it
ps at gary has the metro got a mot and wud it be any good for playing some celine dion lol. :greencool oh ya i aint gay or going to be just ask sue.

[Wide_Polo]

and then you get people squeezing every inch out off the rules with amps just above the window line!!! :D ey wide boy !!! lol :D

They were not above the window line, maybe 1mm below but at 3:30am on friday morning looks were the last thing i was thinking of. I agree with the who cares what it looks like, i would hardly say my gloss black 2 day old MDF box looks good but it does allow 2 10" subs to do silly things :) just happens that i fitted a kit to make my car stand out a bit, is that so wrong?

My opinion on the EMMA rules are that they look at normal use aspects, hence the music instead of tones, this has good and bad things, ported and tuned boxes suffer big time but sealed can have the crap beat out of them(almost took my old compact sealed box down for a bit of fun) i wont drop SPL, i almost changed over to SQ on sunday night, but if i do it will be SQL, SQ with balls!(SQ+ as the euro juges called it).

there needs to be seperate classes in SPL as said before, the same idea as the SQ with rookie, amature etc and then cone area taken into consideration in each of those classes, may make the new ones stick around for more than one show.

im not sure what else to say, at the end of the day one factor is how deep your pockets are, but you can have all the best gear and no clue what to do. all i know is im going to keep doing what i enjoy as a hobby and if things drop off then we need an underground group to keep the fire burning, all hush hush. <---im joking by the way before anyone takes it to heart or starts to think about doing it!

[John306DT]

My opinion on the EMMA rules are that they look at normal use aspects

:eek:

Well getting a car and fitting a bodykit is not normal.

Don't get to may PPL getting there Renault Scenic a fitting a bodykit to it.

If anything I think they should not look at the out side but have points for the install and even have SPL cars judged on how well they SQ. (danthevanman would just love this LOL)

[Wide_Polo]

i see your point John but most people who do this have some sort of mod on the outside, even gary and dan have alloys.

my point about the normal use was directed towards the audio system, not the outside. to be honest id rather the outside wasnt taken into consideration either then i could do things to the micra i have at home doing nothing, looks crap is too small but im sure something could be done :D

To get this sorted you need to get hold of whoever makes the rules and voice your opinions, gerning on here wont get things changed, nigel and the juges dont make the rules they try to go by them as best they can.

post a list of things you would like to see changed or completly removed and that would be a good start i think. Nigel may be able to pass your points on before the new rule book is made up and maybe some changes would be made.

What do you think good idea or me talking rubbish?

[Retyred]

I know most of this seems to have gone down the route of SPL as thats what people seem to be more interested in, and maybe there should be a meeting, but what will this meeting be about? When we were running the old IASCA years ago we tried to make it as much of a democracy as possible, with meetings newsletters etc etc now granted the cars were mainly SQ and the rules for SQ are more complex and it was very very competitive back then, and there were also more people buiding their own cars, and what a pain in the arse that was, all we got was grief, don't forget this is a voluntary effort here, now I'm not involved anymore, but I would imagine that the lads running it are well out of pocket for the weekend. that is why I like this EMMA thing as we are not trying to do this on our own. Now as I have said maybe we could have a meeting to clarify the rules and any questions there may be, but NIgel or Keith or Ken or Andy cant change the rules as they are not theirs to change, and will this meeting rectify all the problems. This is just my opinion.

[ice-age]

A ROUGH DRAFT OFF THE NEW EMMA (####IRELAND ONLY####)RULES!!!!
read the whole thing before you's crack up!!!!
WHAT TRACK?

1: first off all there needs to be more runs 2 is not enough

2: why not do one run with the emma disc as a ref point so we can tell how loud each car is on the same track!

3: second run with the same car still in the lane any track ,noise or bang u like!!

4: then later that day say after lunch the same again, two more runs with the emma disc and then your own track!

5: you will then have two emma scores and two normal scores, you then pick your best emma run and add it too your best own track run! this combined score is your spl total!

6: we need to know what track we are going to be using before we leave the last show!! so we have time to set the system to play this to it's fullest!

ANY POINTS FOR STYLING?????

1: as i've said i don't think you should gane anymore points for anything as this is just an spl comp! HOWEVER!!!

2: i'm willing too flex this rule as far as it needs to go to keep the ppl happy

3: what about extra points for the INSTALL!! or "time and effort" not the exterior or interior off the car ,just the stereo as it is a sound off!!!!

4: if this is not enough for some people then judge the car THE WHOLE CAR!!!
IE: INSIDE ,OUTSIDE ,EVERYSIDE!! not weather it has a big body kit or a munster install, but get somebody who's not an ice head from the show,a event oganizer etc! there is always some one to do this! no relation to any off the contestants! to judge the car as a package! ppl will have a different opinion off this (they may like bodykits more than installs) and the marks will vary from show too show depending on who is choosen!

5: this could be marked out off ten! and would have no relevence to your spl scores

(if you are the loudest you win!!!)

but instead would go to words either a best off each show or be added up in a league and only come in to play at the finals, because plp don't get there car totaly finished all in one go this would let you get more points as the year went on!!

doors open or doors closed?

1: doors closed for all runs!!!! it is too dangerous to run high pressure levels with the doors open!

2: as for noise at t4bb show it's not a car show so we will just have too respect the wishes off the organizers and keep it down! although this makes it a bad choice off venue for the finals!! as everyone likes too go out with a bang!

3: at any other show this should not be a problem and won't come into play but if it does then we will just have to play for 10 mins every hour etc: if the spectators want to hear the cars tell them too come back at this time, they will probably hear you's anyway!

WHY DO WE NEED TO FOLLOW EUROPE!!

most off the rules are fine it's just needs tweeked to make it more fun!
personaly i think the mic on the screen looks more impresive than on a wooden stand that looks like its built from an old coffin! just looks like the old way too do it , and i've had the general puplic say this too me before!!

i don't see why we can't have an ireland set off rules! we are a diffent culture and what suits the dutch or the germans might not suit us!!!

there was no fun at that show! everyone was edgey or stressed!
if it's not fun for the competitors it's not fun at all!!!!!!!!

[Retyred]

You are making some very good points there Gary, I would imagine it will take some of the lads to give definitive answers to these points. Now as I've said I have no particular interest in SPL only that it is not a good idea when SQ is being judged ;) but I thought normally that there was 2 or 3 runs ? ? ? at these shows, was there a problem that we are not hearing about?

[SQ Man]

OK, first thing to be said is we will be taking everybody opinions onboard, however you will not get an instant reaction/ruling/call it whatever you like as we all do this as a hobby & have our normal day jobs to deal with first off.
We will sit down & discuss the situation in due course.

I can understand where you are coming from regarding some of the rules but we were/are in a situation of having a set of rules that will never suit everybody, be it in SPL or SQ.
Previously in SPL we have seen cars that perform better with doors open rather than closed.
These type of problems have come up in the past in the SQ side as well i.e. shop built cars in rookie/amateur & we have tried various solutions, none of which suited everyone.

As for choices of shows, have any of you ever priced the cost of a venue like the RDS or the Kings Hall, the price will scare you.
The T4BB show paid for that hall & contributed towards the International Judges flights, hotels & the trophy costs. We don't get anything like that level of support from the car specific shows.
Despite the noise problem, they are already considering plans for next year that include us, as they see us as a major attraction to get people through the door & into the whole event.
To be honest, If we were planning this or any event based on entries in to us by the closing date (1 week before show date normally) there would be very few, if any shows held at all.

[ice-age]

thanks for even listening nigel!

we have both been in this game for years now!

as for the show you know i know how much it costs and how hard it is too organise! that's why no one else want's to do it. it's just that as a show organiser in the past and competitor now i can see both point's off view!

i'm not trying too take over it's just the spirt off the whole thing seem's to be gone! if the public managed too change f1 anthing can be sorted to help keep every one happy!

i don't expect this too change over nite!

we need to do this in more formal sercumstances, typing things into a computer isn't as personal as face to face, it's hard for me to explain how passionitaly i feel about this in text!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm just glad you seem to be listening and not just telling me to ****off,like it or lump it! etc!

i think i speak for john, daniel, stuarty etc that instead off us standing about at shows nagging at u's to get the show started, that as soon as we get are cars in and clean we are free to help you and ken etc set the show up or do what we can!!! i no i'd prefer to be doing that than just standing there freezing may nuts off all morning!!!!

as for t4bb i'm awhere that they invite us and this is great the more of these the better. however i just think as i said ealier that because off the noise restriction it might not be the best idea for the final .as an other show no problem but it should be advetissed as a show that we are aloud too
"diplay but no play!!"

unfortunely it's just the nature off this country too leave things too the last min as far as entrys go i can't see this ever improving . i'm the worsed for this !!!!!!! sorry!!!!!

[Alpine]

Just to throw a slant on things here.

One Thing I think to add is that the EMMA organisation is world wide, This year there was a European final in Greece, Now if Ireland was to have it's own version of the rules, and a representitive was over in Greece competing then he/she would be a joke, they would prob be slaughtered, against some of the other competitors.
If changes are made they have to be throughout the organisation as it can't be one set of rules for one and another rule for others.

I might be wrong but EMMA has been running in other countries with the same rules for a number of years no?

[Retyred]

Well at least this is being discussed in a civilised manner not the normal slagging match that happens with other organisations. :D :D

[ice-age]

this is true alpine and i fear the same thing happening, however if it' stay's the same as it is now all the heavy hitters in this game are gone!

this is NOT a treat, this is just what the rest off the competitors are telling me, a show with the same rules as the rest off europe and no big hitters is useless!

this isn't a dig at emma, that's just a name! it could be db drags, iasca, nopi, termpro etc etc etc: if the competitors aren't happy it does not work!

i feel like i'm repeating myself, it's not all the rules they just need tweeked! the rest off the competitors want rid off emma now! all i'm getting is
"EMMA EMMA WHO THE **** IS EMMA!!!" as i suggested keep the disc ,the mic pos, just allow us too exband first!

what i mean is in the states they hit 170+ at every show no matter where that mic is! if anyone needs the restriction off one disc it's them boys! let us learn how too get 170+ all day long before u try too hold us up! we need to learn to walk first before we can run!!!!!!!

[Alpine]

Well at least this is being discussed in a civilised manner not the normal slagging match that happens with other organisations. :D :D


I love debate as much as the next guy, no point slagging each other at the end of the day, we are all mature adults........ well most of us some of the time. :D. We all give up our time and put so much effort in for the love of the game.

I'd love to attend another EMMA event, I'm raging I missed the swedish one, I could use that as an example of big hitters etc. It would be nice to know how the organisation functions abroad too.

[Alpine]

I'm looking for pics of the Greek finals, This is the sort of compititon we are up against and these boys and girls are near pro, We are so behind, we are still playing catch up, This T4BB event showed the top class we have coming up.

http://www.borreltje.com/emmanet/galleries/Euro_Finals_2005_Athens/Eurofinals_2005_135.JPG

http://www.borreltje.com/emmanet/galleries/Euro_Finals_2005_Athens/Eurofinals_2005_149.JPG

[ice-age]

as for the exterior styling let me put it like this

in football every player want's too be like david beckham or some other high class player

in motorsport every driver want's too be schumacher etc

in spl everyone wants to be?????

http://www.spldynamics.fi/kg/ef-04/ef4-4.jpg


http://www.spldynamics.fi/kg/ef-04/ef4-5.jpg


http://www.spldynamics.fi/kg/ef-04/ef4-6.jpg


this is the loudest car in the world at the moment!!! what a shed, it looks like ****all! except in my opinion it is the best thing i've ever seen! in the db drags finals in europe this year it has just hit 180.4 YES 180.4 :eek: :eek:

this would score 180.4 first run ,nothing secound run as with the doors open all 5 15" subs would pop with 120,000 watts!

then would resive 0 points for styling! this would put this car in last place on sat!

please tell me u see my point??????????

[Alpine]

That car is Impressive, I get what your saying, but that is like bring a hot rod to a Drifting comp. It's a balls out DB drag car.

EMMA events tend to have road legal, road worthy cars at them as far as I can tell. (open to correction)

[Retyred]

Agreed.......can't see any point in the doors open thing

I didn't realise there was a styling element within the EMMA spl rules???

shows how much I know :o :o

check out the battery tray :eek:

[SQ Man]

Gary, I know you're a fan of big SPL figures, but how much have you actually looked at ESPL as far as results are concerned?

If you compared the results this week with those from the recent Euro finals (http://www.emmanet.com/Reports/Athens05/results1.htm) you might be surprised to know that you're scores in the Pro class would have put you among the top cars in Europe, never mind some of the guys in the lower classes.

Maybe we should run two competitions side by side, ESPL & Outlaw. Main thing is at present we can't afford prizes for both.
I know for some of you guys prizes don't mean much, but for some they do so we're stuck between a rock & a hard place at times. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I'm certainly open to discussion on all these things, but would have just like a chance to unwind after the last event of the season before we start into all this again.

[ice-age]

point taken nigel, you put your feet up and relax!!!

but as soon as you are ready too start the decisions for next year, can we please please please please please please have a meeting first! i'm not hard too talk too! am i????? if any one else has any input please post here and we i will hope too see you all at this now imfamous meeting!

cheers for listening!!!

[ice-age]

i notice we are nowhere own the score table :confused:

why is this if we are such a part off this emma organisation that we aren't even on the web site? lol

your point about hitting high scores with emma rules or little equipment is a good one!

at donny south last year i spoke to a guy in a smart car , one 12" sub and lots off amps! he is hitting over 160db! now that is amazing! when i asked how he said my first run was a mear 142 db, same sub same track , same car , same amps all he changed was the box and port! o and 2 years tweeking! and about 100 boxes built! that too me is self improvement! and what this game is about! you can't move the goal posts every show, and then expect happy players!

[SQ Man]

Thanks Gary.

As it goes, I havn't really had much of a chance to speak to Keith, Andy, Ken or any of the other judges after the show.
Ken headed off, limping home in 2nd gear with a jammed gearbox & is hopefully getting his car sorted as we talk.
Keith and the others are back at the day jobs, i'm back tomorrow.
We will discuss the show between us in due course, as we always do, and see where things can be improved or changes made.

[SQ Man]

i notice we are nowhere own the score table :confused:

why is this if we are such a part off this emma organisation that we aren't even on the web site? lolBecause those are the results from the Euro finals in Athens, we wern't there.
Maybe we will be next year, in Bern, Switzerland.

[Ronan]

in the db drags finals in europe this year it has just hit 180.4 YES 180.4 :eek: :eek:


Didnt Scott Ownes not hit 180.5 there only a few weeks ago in his Pioneer Powered Ford F250 ????

[ice-age]

what this dude here!

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3430/262409730scottowens.jpg


that doesn't matter, and is missing my point entirely !
although this does prove yet again if you want to go loud, don't go and see that girl emma! as he runs in db drags!

and also proves that you can go loud with cheap equipment (pioneer) you may need a lorry load though!

as i say too all my customers it's not the equipment it's the way it's installed which helps my point about not knowing what track we are going too play and how you are ever ment too improve your system

but that is like bring a hot rod to a Drifting comp. It's a balls out DB drag car. why you think this! if you are the best driver it wouldn't matter!


also nigel the higest score on that entire page is a 154.

GR 1 Simos Sarikas Ellicon 346total 39style 153,50 154,00

and that's in a class called ESPL Exp Unlimited that sound serious if you ask me! it's above a class called 8 woofers. what does that mean 8 inch woofers, lol,or 8 inch tweeters, lol ,it would need to be if you can get 160+ out off one 12", (if you are allowed too try :rolleyes: )

the sq though has a score off 480, now that is amazing there can't be much wrong with that car

i'm sorry but i'm starting too lose the will to live here. these rules are keeping us in the dark ages! i could so understand if we were all hitting 160+ and you were trying to make it more interesting to try too split us up.

i keep walking away from this computer saying right i've say'd my piece let it lie! but i don't think you have any idea how much these rules are annoying me and the small changes i've suggested are hardly noticeable! i've even compramised on a lot off points too keep the peace.

right, somebody else, my fingers are ****ed

[Wide_Polo]

i had a point to put across but after reading all this im not putting it up, it would start a war on here and im not going to be the one to do that.

ever sence i saw the metro i wanted to do SPL, so i did.i dont think im as addicted to anything else as a hobby. The rules and CD are there to be used, easy to get handy to have.If you dont go by the reference for the specific event what do you expect to happen? sure the styling rules etc are a bit crap as every one has their own taste but each to their own. if you dont do it for a prize then what does the styling matter? you should be happy to tweak the system to play music at its peak.

as for the big scores, sure i like to see them as do many but whats the point of a car doing 170dB with a tone, would you drive around playing it all day?id rather have a car that moves and plays music i can listen to loud than a tone(but both is good)

i know i will get alot of backlash from this but i aint that worried, everyone has their own opinions on this and this is mine.

[John306DT]

ever sence i saw the metro i wanted to do SPL, so i did.i dont think im as addicted to anything else as a hobby.

i know i will get alot of backlash from this but i aint that worried, everyone has their own opinions on this and this is mine.


This is the biggest point made in this topic so far.

You saw the METRO and want to do SPL

On Sat if PPL looked at Dan's or G's vans getting 150.2 & 151.8 they say thats loud but when they got home they looked up the internet to see more about SPL they would say they went to all that money and time to get that when ppl ar getting that with one 12" sub. They mustn't know what they are doing.

I'm all about SQ but love playing around with SPL. Good fun to put a large score on the board. But on Sat I got 138.8 dB I used to get more that that as part off the IASCA SQ scoring when we had a 135 dB limit and at Heatwave 2004 I hit 141 dB and still lifted 1st Rockie SQ. :D

BIG SCORE = Big Crowds

these rules are keeping us in the dark ages!

This 100% true.
Let's show the world that Ireland can be the BIG HITTERS TO

There will be know backlash just ppl trying to make the Sound Off's bigger and better in Ireland.

Please do say what you were going to.

[danthevanman]

I know every body thinks that its all about money 4 hitting big figures but since i put in my system a couple of months back i have gained 5 db with the same subs and amps. i even took about 500 quids worth out cause it was losing me db's!!!
in that time i have changed my port and box a couple of times which shows its all about finding ur freq and improving ur score.
most of the people that a have been talking 2 from england are saying the same thing wot have alloys,spoilers and bodykits got to do with spl? :confused: this is why most of them r running in the db drags comps.
(quote wide polo) as for the big scores, sure i like to see them as do many but whats the point of a car doing 170dB with a tone, would you drive around playing it all day?id rather have a car that moves and plays music i can listen to loud than a tone(but both is good)
its possible to build anevery day car that can hit 150+ with music every day and hit high figures its all in the setting up, turn ur amps up 2 **** 4 spl and down 4 normal listening, r have interchangable ports.
as 4 that volvo i'd love nothing more than to get that thing on the road turn down the amps a bit, change the port and batter the ****ing life out of it.
this needs to get sorted b4 next year!!!! so get a time and a place sorted that suits every 1 so that we can talk about it face 2 face.

[ice-age]

please don't hide behind your computer phil!

if it's worth thinking it's worth saying! so far this has just been a polite, mature confersation! surely you understand that! what was it some personal dig at someone or something! who cares you are intitelled to your opinion! better out than in i always say!

you are also one off the biggest players at this! do you like just getting walked over and told what to do! the more a think about this the worse it gets! something needs changed!

but whats the point of a car doing 170dB

what is the point off a drag car if it doesn't turn corners
what's the point off a f1 car if u can't take it on the road ( speed bumps) lol
why make lightbulbs if candles are ok? etc etc etc

expand your mind young lad!!!!!!!!!


i take it from your last few posts that you totally disagree, and that's fine!

it's just i remember i time, long before you know what a sub was, when progress was made every show, then between shows nobody talked about anything else! just how too beat that record yourself! it's called competetion.

it's the same in every sport is it not! if i'm wrong please tell me, but can you tell me off one sport were they don't try too improve from year to year??

why should we have this noose around are necks holding us back, i thought you had the bug, and where a true bass head! i must have been wrong! we are a strange breed ,yes! and this is the most expensive and dafft sport in the world! but when wayne harriss started this back in 1988 i bet you he did'nt see it still going now!

[saxo85]

Go easy on my Phil!!!
I'd like to see it changed a bit too but is there really much point complaining this much about t4bb? we all knew the rules before we entered! although it would have been better if we had got more runs, just for the fun of it.

[ice-age]

i'm not beeing hard on him! he just seem's scared off change!


I'd like to see it changed a bit too

there you go sorted , end off!!!!!!!

if fact i hope this is the last post i have too make, and this summs this all up for me!

would this not draw a crowd!!!!

and not a one off these has a bodykit. just spl!!!!!

http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Competitions/sounddomainmeet.wmv


http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Competitions/worldloudestcars.wmv

[saxo85]

He just can't be bothered arguing about it! Anyway, there won't be any more till next year so plenty of time to get it sorted.

[Wide_Polo]

ok i just read that now.

you want to know what i think, ok then.the emma rules are ok in my view,fair enough i dont agree styling should play a part in the final scores.what i really dont like is the reading being taken using an audio track,its just too unpredictable to use.i like to know what will happen when im doing my run so i would prefere to use tones myself.

when i get home and can use my pc instead of my phone i will expand on my thoughts,time to give it some deep thought!

ps i welcome change,i see it as a challenge.

[ice-age]

thank you phil!

[AlGreene]

As a newbie who wanted to enter the comp the weekend but couldnt make,after reading thru the past few pages the comps seem fairly daunting!

There's alot of talk about X being in this category and Y being in this but for me as a newbie joe soap it seems that everyone entered is running super huge systems and that theres not even a point entering as you'l be laughed and crap'd all over!

[Wide_Polo]

ok now i have had time to think about this.

Right this is what i think.

Drop the need for styling, or at least the most of it, each to their own, one judge may like the look of a car the other may not, no uniform scoring method so hardly fair anyway.

Focus more on the install if needed, security of fitting, effort and time taken should be taken into account(maybe even a point or 2 for the overall design)

Drop the doors open run, whats the point of spending dosh on sound deadening if you open the doors?running car for demo with open doors that lets people see into the car to see what made the noise.

Maybe even forget about the music disc or as gary said(i think) have the disc run and a normal run then the same later to give time to tweak a bit.It is called SPL after all, thats Sound pressue level, not MPL, Music pressure level.

If the disc is to be used, tell the entrant what track when they apply, E-mail or by fone, this way they have a chance to get things setup beforhand.

Dont allow entries after the closing date(that would mean me out) this way the hall layout can be planned well in advance so each car has a 'slot' to park in and thats it, no more arrive at destination and then be told to go somewhere and then 10mins later have to move.

Have different classes for spl, not just by cone area, rookie etc and then divided up into cone or whatever, i know i wouldnt want my first time to be against even me (big head now but you know what im getting at)never mind paddy or either of the vans.

Have a timetable (or atleast a rough guide) so entrants know whats happening when and where. if you aint there when your needed then its a vote by the other competitors whether or not you can compete if you have wasted time.

Think that will do me for now, my job sucks so i get time to run things over in my head, this stuff took me about an hour. feel free to pick holes in it or leave feedback good or bad.

At heart im a bass head, if i could i would do it for a living. for competition there are rules, not everone will like all of them but to me what i have above seems quite good for all concerened. few alterations and they would be good, anything i left out?

one more thing, ADVERTISE the competitions in audio shops etc, there are people out there who miss these as they dont have internet etc.

Phil out :D !

[Wide_Polo]

As a newbie who wanted to enter the comp the weekend but couldnt make,after reading thru the past few pages the comps seem fairly daunting!

There's alot of talk about X being in this category and Y being in this but for me as a newbie joe soap it seems that everyone entered is running super huge systems and that theres not even a point entering as you'l be laughed and crap'd all over!

my girlfriend finished 4th in SPL in my class, all she had was my old amp and sony sub. as said earlier its not what you have its what you can do with it, eg my little 10's, look like nothing but after about 4 differnt boxes to experiment with they can do silly things. no one laughs at anything at the shows, its all a learning curve, help and advice is always on hand from other competitors either something that can be done to improve things there and then or something that can be done for the next time.

dont let what you read here put you off, its just an open discussion about a few points from the weekend, its not intended to discourage anyone i wouldnt keep doing SPL if it was bitchy and no fun.

[danthevanman]

As a newbie who wanted to enter the comp the weekend but couldnt make,after reading thru the past few pages the comps seem fairly daunting!

There's alot of talk about X being in this category and Y being in this but for me as a newbie joe soap it seems that everyone entered is running super huge systems and that theres not even a point entering as you'l be laughed and crap'd all over!

this is y we have to get the classes situation sorted out!
When i started if i was put up against something like im runnin now i would have said **** this and stopped competing, we have to get more new blood into the sport r else its going to die!
And wot will we all do then???
"saxo85 He just can't be bothered arguing about it! Anyway, there won't be any more till next year so plenty of time to get it sorted "
its time to get it sorted now long b4 next year r else we'll just b saying the same things that r b ing said at the min!
If things don't get sorted b4 next year i can't c myself competing next year. :(

[ice-man]

Just got a chance to see this now, New job so no internet access! :mad:

First off i would like to thank the lads for organising the show and competition
and well done!!

I think what phil said there would be a good way to go. And as for sq cars... i got some rattles after the weked as a result of being in the noisy corner, my only complaint for the whole weekend was the noise when sq cars were eing judged on rta and sq, coz i say one cars rta and whike his stereo was paused it was reading mad levels of bass!!
Any one have parts of the ceiling tiles falling on thir cars???? i cleaned mine off 3 times on saturday alone.

I think giing the spl cars a few mins or so every hour or half hour to let rip is a good idea!

When i was being judged i asked a few lads to turn theirs down and fair enuf they did, but others turned theirs on then as the place was kinda quiet and the wanted to make some noise!!

also , the idea of a meeting is a good idea too!

[John306DT]

As a newbie who wanted to enter the comp the weekend but couldnt make,after reading thru the past few pages the comps seem fairly daunting!

There's alot of talk about X being in this category and Y being in this but for me as a newbie joe soap it seems that everyone entered is running super huge systems and that theres not even a point entering as you'l be laughed and crap'd all over!


Come have a go and we'll all make sure you get the best out off your system.

And I know the frist person to help out new SLPers is Gary. :D

[Pete.]

hi everyone. i was asked to come have a look at this thread and see what was going on after what sounds like a bad set of events at the show.


i have tried to have a look over all the post but there are a lot so i tried to get the general jist of what was being said.

to be honest and from my point of view , everyone who likes to compete in ireland needs be able to be seperated into their own respective classes and thats a fundamental part of what needs to happen for new people to enter into the world of ice and keep at it. if a new class system doesnt happen (and i mean a complete overhaul !) then people wont enter as they will see cars like garys, dans, or audio advices cars thrashing the oposition. and who in their right mind only beginning wants to put their pride and joy that they have worked hard to put to together and install being destroyed by the oposition.

the other point of this is that yes the ones at the leading edge of the spl crowd will win plenty but im sure im right in saying that theres no fun in competing if theres no Competitiveness!!! hence like for like installs/systems NEED to be put into the same classes

as for the doors open rule, that is just crazy! il add more later but thats just a few thoughts to begin with for now from my point of view.

[daves106]

if sound offs are going to continue here and grow i think some modifications need to be made to the rules to keep people happy and to keep more people entering which i think should be a priority.

i totall disagree with the marking of cars on their exterior appearance as that has nothing to do with sound systems and should not be included in a sound off if people want the outside of their cars judged they can join a show and shine not a sound off

ps not trying to start anything or offend anyone here but just want to know is there a perticular reason we are with emma and not our own organisation with our own rules etc

[Wide_Polo]

You want a meeting? put the wheels in motion, find a date and time that suits and stick to it, put your points to each other and try to come to some sort of common ground, if not i cant see this lasting.i hope you Prove me wrong.

if or when you do prove me wrong send me some rules at least 2weeks before the first show, and i will be happy to come and play :D

i have nothing more to say on this matter, its 1:20am and im going to sleep.

PS, there may be a vid of a Kicker L7 fighting with 240V AC soon http://www.manic-motorz.com/forum/images/smilies/e15hrn.gif keep your eyes peeled.

[Retyred]

Just a couple of points to add to this

Sound offs are not just about SPL ......

I know a lot of money is spent on these SPL systems and they have their place (out in the corner of the yard :D :D ) however there is as much money if not more spent on some of the SQ cars. Ice-mans point about trying to judge SQ with a car on each side going for it has to be taken on board, it’s not fair. We’re a delicate bunch us SQ ers

Either have a period of quiet time for judging SQ or else move SQ to a quiet spot for sound judging (outside)

May be there is a problem with the SPL rules I don't see however how they can be changed without the agreement of EMMA.

We have gone through all this meeting stuff before, and it generally goes like this
1.) meeting organized due to popular demand
2.) Everyone commits to going to this meeting
3.) Venue and date of meeting finalized to great agreement.
4.) 50% of committed attendees pull out at the last min due to unforeseen vettinary appointments
5.) Day of meeting dawns with the sum total of 3 people attending
6.) Meeting progresses with 99% of the input coming from the chair I.E. Nigel
Due to the silence from the floor. Meeting concludes
7.)Next day discussion on the internet about how useless the meeting was.

I am not taking the piss here, but I have experienced several of these get togethers
And they sort out very little, so unless the current group of contestants are different than previous I see very little point

If there is a problem with EMMA rules then it would seem the only way to address this is to EMMA through our rep (Nigel)

If there is a problem with the way the show was run well that is a totally different thing and this is something that can be resolved.

[liza_bitch]

Wide_Polo sorry now if this sounds harsh but to be honest this tread isnt about u and i for one dont really care if u dont compite next year its up to yourself at the end of the day competing is about having fun fair enough its good to win now and then... i do think its a same though with all the time and money you've put into your system not to compete but its up to you

to be honest i'm more of an SQ fan and this thread seems to have gone more down the road of SPL adn Emma Rules.

As and outsider coming to sound offs for the last 2 1/2 years i do think the events need to b a little more organised jus in the lay out of the day. I used to event my horse and the week before the event we used to b given a time for our first event say 11.05 am showjumping and if we didnt show at that time it was hard luck adn they'd try and fit u in at the end. i personally get sick of waiting around for the judges to come to the car and u have to waiting around all day now it was a bit of a joke being there at 9 and the car wasnt judged till 5 in the afternoon i think a schedule should b made up prior to the event and if ppl have late entrys feck them they can wait!!!

[Wide_Polo]

i do think its a same though with all the time and money you've put into your system not to compete but its up to you


Ah you twisted my arm :D New and improved system time i think:p

lets get this sorted and behind us so the next season is even better than the one past.

EMMA rules wont suit everyone but what other organisation is there to do these? first comp i entered with another organisation they pulled out 2 days before the show, at least the EMMA guys are still here and making an effort.

[ice-age]

at least the EMMA guys are still here and making an effort.

very very good point! nobody else want's too do it that's why!

:mad: and yes right from the start this post has been about 2 rules in the spl, and nothing to do with sq! if we get this sorted you's will have all the piece and quiet you want too judge your sq cars !!!!!!! (sq=:vb_offtop) :mad:

As a newbie who wanted to enter the comp the weekend but couldnt make,after reading thru the past few pages the comps seem fairly daunting!

please don't let any off these mad rant's put you off competing! all off these comps are normaly really good fun , and hopefully if we get this sorted will continue to be for a long time!!! big g will look after you ;)

as for the meeting where did you meet last time retyred???????

is the border too far north or is dublin a better call?

decide on a place and i'll book a table somewhere! ok?
a bar would do, after all. all the best idea's happen in the pub! lol

i think we all want the same thing! and in my opinion ,yes we need nigel on our side, but emma!!!!! no don't think so!!!

[Retyred]

My comments about meetings are based on a series of get togethers we had maybe 4 or so years ago when IASCA(Ireland) was going. Any of the other guys who were involved with the running of the thing then, will, I have no doubt back me up on the very limited use they were(Nigel, Keith)

The only reason this is going at all at the min is because of EMMA and the fact that there is support involved from them i.e judges coming over. IASCA on the other hand left you very much to your own devices. I know most people involved with it at the end of IASCA(Ireland) myself included were fed up to the back teeth with the whole thing.

Maybe we could use EMMA SQ and go and look for some other format for SPL?

I don't know why you say that SQ is off topic, the original question was about the show in general.

[ice-age]

are you happy with the sq side off things?

also do you think i've been unfair on any off my points ref spl?

[sp ibiza]

I agree with gary, i said it from the start when there was a meeting in newry about going along with the emma rules that it should go by cone size. it isnt fair on new comers competing against the likes of gary in his fiesta.There does need to be a meeting so it can be sorted out for next year and we all can have some fun the shows a few years ago where good fun we used to travell to cork for a dealer show and have a good laugh when we were there it needs to be looked at!!!!!!

[AlGreene]

please don't let any off these mad rant's put you off competing! all off these comps are normaly really good fun , and hopefully if we get this sorted will continue to be for a long time!!! big g will look after you ;)

!

I wont let it put me off so!
Its actually kinda dissapointing that the whole Sq and Spl scene in the south is tiny compared to the north,Myself as the noob would love to see even more noobs coming along and joining in.

Ive mentioned the comps to people before and they looked at me weird as if saying whats he on about ive never heard of that before!

For the next season im more than happy to help out and try get some more new faces onto the scene

[saxo85]

Its actually kinda dissapointing that the whole Sq and Spl scene in the south is tiny compared to the north

Not really, I know most of the judges are from the north but most of the shows are round Dublin and the competitors are about half and half.

[John306DT]

are you happy with the sq side off things?

Well I'm happy with SQ side off things and that's saying something :eek: LOL :D

Tho some things need fine tuned, But not a lot.

Think it may be good to run the EMMA SQ and yes go to someother sort off SPL rules more in line with the way PPL in Ireland have done SPL in the past. :auto_09:

I just want the funny off high scores back into SPL :e15hrn:

[Sparky]

The SQ side is good but the noise level while being juged needs to be addresed cause it can be a bit of a joke. Also a program needs to be made out so everyone one knows when there cars being judged, cause it will speed things up, and judges wont be having to run around looking for people.

P.S. Well done to Nigel & everyone envolved in organising the shows cause its not easy and keep up the good work.


MIKE

[Wide_Polo]

I agree with gary, i said it from the start when there was a meeting in newry about going along with the emma rules that it should go by cone size.

if you read the rules it does go by cone size unless you have a wall or the back seats are out.

newbies are hard to get into the SPL side, most are frightened of blowing their stuff up.If shops advertiesed the events well in advance more may appear.

[ice-man]

I think the idea of a program is good and all, but thats down to competitors getting their own entry forms in on time and as the entry forms say, no entries accepted on the day! if the forms are in say two weeks in advance it would give organisers time to sort a program for people, make it easier for everyone!!!!

[Retyred]

are you happy with the sq side off things?

also do you think i've been unfair on any off my points ref spl?

SQ seems to be going OK except for the noise thing, which is a fairly major point

As for your points on SPL well I think they are all very valid, however within the EMMA structure this is what exists and I don't know how it is possible to change the rules within an organisation like EMMA except with the agreement of EMMA, as these are the rules that are used to qualify a car for say the euro finals so if we opt out of the SPL rules surly then any of our cars will not be eligable for a finals place ? ? So maybe there needs to be some sort of a consensus here as to which way SPL should go and I will concede maybe a meeting is the way to go :o :o to decide this, or could it be decided on here??

just to answer a point someone else who made the comment that the sound off scene is tiny in the South etc etc well most of the shows are down here, at least half of the competitors are from down here, However none of the dealers are from down here, which is just the same as always..........

[geoffo]

guys an gurls for wot its worth i bin bouncen around this scene for longer than i should admit and i mean a sound off used to be about "sound" not plastic add-ons on the outside... is that not something completley diffo? u wudnt go to the dentist wif a sore foot and say "aye but it's connected to my mouth" see wer am cum'n from?

as for competing... i have a track that i use as i have spent time and money setting the car up der4 i really hate being given a disk on the day and told "play dat" same again, u dont build a 1/4 mile car and turn up at the track and sum bloke put and engine in and say - "run this my laddy"

it's horses for courses or maybe am jus to long in the tooth but make the rules up b4 the game starts ppl.

i help run and organise events all the time even wif the help of the psni which takes alot specailly cum'n from the cruise scene and i appreciate the efforts that so into these events but really it jus has to be a trend, deviation from the norm sets bad vibes and inidicates misdirection for new comers.

geoffo.

[danthevanman]

so how about this meeting then?
every 1 is off of christmas and the new year, so we should b able to arrange a date then that should suit every 1 ?
would like to get this sorted soon so if i need 2 arrange accom. i can do so soon, so at least can have a few drinks were ever the meeting is :D
will b in the party mood round that time of the year, no im not an alco ;)